PEDRO LUIZ DE OLIVEIRA
JATOBA: The major topic of my presentation is
regarding the seclusion oygenation systems in
the Amazon area. I will certainly attempt to show you the
real circumstance, the obstacles, and one target that we are– one obstacle that
we are searching for. That is how to transform
the Amazon area in a diesel-free environment. Of all, I would certainly like to
show you some numbers about Brazil, and
we can begin seeking the Brazilian economy. You can see in the
left side of the slide our Human being Growth Index that
classify us like a creating nation, and additionally the population
projections for the following thirty years. And afterwards you can see that
you are nearly supporting the numbers of individuals. As well as, obviously, we have
an aging populace. As well as in the right
side of the slide, we can see our gross
residential product that is below the average of
the developed countries, a classifier that can make
us a developing country. And the 2nd slide has to do with
the Brazilian power market, and this slide is
very, very intriguing, due to the fact that it shows the last, more
than the last, 7 decades.And you can see our
landmarks, the environment-friendly one. In 1962, that ' s the year when'my business, Electrobras, has been started, had actually been developed by the government. As well as it was very important, due to the fact that this point was a turning point for the Brazilian power policies. Until the '' 60s, Brazil simply have a few electrifications, as well as the power manufacturings, it was virtually restricted for a number of states based in fuel fossils, like all the various other developing countries.In the middle of the ' 50s as well as the '' 60s, at first of ' 60s, the Brazilian government recognized that they should provide much more self-confidence to have a supply of electrical energy that could be– supply all the demands for creating the country. And also you can see that afterwards, we had a massive growth, ordinary development, of the installed ability. If you look from 1962 till nowadays, we have a 6.2 standard. That is extremely substantial. And also it was very important that– that'' s why that it ' s the basis of the advancement of– the economic growth of the country ever since.
As well as something that ' s. essential to claim
, that because moment when we. make those choices, truly, Brazil didn ' t have any type of get. of value or significance gets of oil,.
That was water. And also as far– I wear'' t recognize if you.
the Amazon, like others. And the government made the.
decision to make use of the source. And also did this– it was.
crucial, due to the fact that it made us a reasonable expert in.
this sort of advancement. And there is some.
particularities of the Brazilian.
power industry that primarily forged the system.
It'' s crucial to claim.
It requires you to have. particular preparation tools.
due to the fact that a hydropower plant. it takes virtually ten years given that the preliminary job. up until the operation.
You have to forecast your.
demand 10 years in advance.And this made us– we ' re experts, as well as demand. planning, and demand forecasts, and other things, various other. things, at hydropower plants. It ' s a very costly.
capital expense. You have to have a particular.
monetary tools to face these points and also.
permits the financier, and even the federal government,. to make and also take this cash all those investments. So the monetary sector,. the preparation system, all the procedures. have been developed
to permit us to develop in the. hydropower job development. As well as Electrobras, it was. developed because minute as state-owned firm,. as we are till now. It was produced as a. state-owned business which shares traded in the market. This has actually made us really different.
from the various other firms that exist in that point. When you seek the.
outcome of those policies, we can see in this.
slide that nowadays– and this is our actual set up.
ability of 170,000 megawatts– we have 87% of these.
installed capability generation from clean resources. And this is outstanding, and also.
this is extremely fascinating. When you, since.
seek the goals, as well as the goals developed.
for the developed nations concerning the.
climate adjustment and the power transition, you'' ll. find some degrees that are below those.
numbers that we have actually reached in that way.And I utilized to state. in my presentation that we didn ' t do. that in the ' 50s, in the '' 60s, because.
we like setting. Due to the fact that, we did that.
we truly didn'' t have any type of other alternative than. water to establish as well as to base our electrical sector.
And nowadays, we have. 65 %of hydropower plants.
We have already in.
the alternate power an appropriate growth.
of wind and solar. As well as we are the nation.
in South America that has the biggest
installment. capability of wind and solar. As well as we have.
biomass essentially in sugar cane, where we have. Ethanol as well as points.
So it made us a country that. has electric metrics really, really, spick-and-span. The next four slides, I will.
reveal you them faster, however I'like them very.
a lot, because it ' s an amount of time, 'a. period when you can see just how we begin. in the ' 60s as well as exactly how we reached the situation. that we are today.
In bases of each slides,'there. In the ' 60s, we have. As well as you can see the dots on the.
It was just a pair of states.
As well as we can see the start. Transmission line. As well as the large circles with numbers.
represents the large hydropowers that have actually been built. When you opted for the.
next slide, for the '' 80s, we have practically a triple.
of the last decade. As well as the local systems.
are extra consolidated. As well as we have extra sources,.
a lot more cities incorporated. As well as this was a method.
that have actually celebrated additionally the electrification.
of the country. When the, due to the fact that.
hydropower plants were situated far.
from the tons facility, we needed to build.
transmission lines. And to construct the.
transmission lines, there was all-natural waste.
for the electrification. When we pick, it indicates that.
to explore the hydropower potential– really, we made 2 things. We build an extremely, very eco-friendly.
base for the power generation, as well as we developed a motion to.
energize the country that is extremely, large. When we went to the ''
90s,. you can see essentially the 2 systems is still.
already consistent, yet it'' s still separated. It ' s still separated itself. As well as now, we start to encounter some.
troubles with those situations.Because as we have a. huge nation, we have several rivers where. those hydro plants were built, and we
have distinction. between the rainfall seasons as well as things like that.
And also because the. ' 90s, we ' ve began to have problems.
'with dry spell periods, as well as extra of food and also.
excess water, and also the others.
And also sometimes we deal with a. shortage of generation in the north when
they have. unwanted of food in the south, in the location over manufacturings. And also in this moment, we. begun to take, and to function, to interconnect those.
systems in simply one system.And this took place in. the end of the '
90s. So when we got to.
the 2000s, we faced– we had the 'two systems. adjoined. As well as we have, given that.
this moment, we had simply one electric system. As well as we employed Brazil the. “National Interconnected Systems”.” And this is the means we.” developed 2 countries, one country that– 2 parts of the country. One part that is. interconnected, to put it simply, it has the gain access to for. all those renewables
. As well as we still had. part of the nation
that is not adjoined. It ' s separated. In'2003, we still had some.
important, really relevant number of states, and also the.
states that are not belongs to the National.
Interconnected System. In that means, I had.
virtually 7% of gigawatts. You can when we went for 2010.
see that the interconnected system have grown a whole lot. And also now, the component of the nation.
that is not interconnected is tiny, and also is extra.
concentrated in the north, in the northwest.
As well as we will see that currently this is. The last slide of the.
And also I can say to you that it. is almost the very same situation that we have nowadays. And currently you can see that. generally every state, also
some states. in the Amazon.com, are adjoined in the. national electrical system.
As well as we have just one. state in the north component that is truly. actually isolated.
It is still separated nowadays. As well as if you try to find the future– but right now, we.
can see that we got to the most hard.
part of the country to electrify, that.
is the Amazon.com forest. And also right here, we have.
several troubles to move forward with this.
logic of interconnected to grow the electric grid. The outcome of this movie is.
the massive transmission system that we have. And also we can see in the.
slides just how it is produced, just how it corresponds. And also we have several.
degrees of voltage. As well as we have it.
really, really complex.And we have–
we deal.
with all those loads and also various resources. And after that we have really,.
extremely interesting issues as well as challenges.
concerning to control the frequency, the voltage,.
and take with the incidents, and also so on. It makes us extremely, very professionals.
to manage this large system. And also since the '' 90s, we developed. simply one national driver that'' s an independent.
agent that is in cost of taking care of all this.
procedure of this big system. And in the second component.
of the discussion, I wish to existing.
my company, Electrobras.As I claimed in the.
starting, we have actually
been developed, we. have been founded, in 1962, as I specified.
on the firm. And we still are by doing this. The only distinction is that.
from the start in the '' 60s and also now, is was that.
at first we had the syndicate of.
generation as well as transmission in the country. Given that 1962 up until.
the center of '' 90s, when all Brazil, like various other. South America countries, decide to open the marketplaces. for personal investors, Electrobras has actually been in.
cost of preparation, structure, and running all those points.
that you saw since the 1962 until 2000s.
And it made us and.
offer us an excellent legacy in the understanding concerning this.
procedure, every one of this preparation, and more. Various from the other.
nations in South America, that when made a decision.
to open up the marketplace, they likewise made a decision to.
privatize your business. The Brazilian government.
made different. He simply opened up the marketplace.
and maintained Electrobras under its control, as well as just.
maintain us out of the growth from practically 10 years.And we offered
10 years.
for the economic sector to come as well as to make financial investments. And also because 2004, almost.
9 or one decade after the visibility.
of the marketplaces, the government allowed us to.
return to the investments, but in a various model. In the past, we.
regulated whatever, and also we had the huge.
hydropower firms. In fact, we produce.
four regional nations, since we had difference.
in between the regions. As well as those business owns all the.
generation, and transmissions, and huge transmissions line. The only distinction, it.
was distributions firms that belongs to the states,.
as well as some transmissions that exist in the.
states that belongs to the distribution firms. The long-distance.
transmission and the large hydropowers as well as.
various other generation facilities belongs completely to Electrobras. Considering that 2004, the.
model of investment, the involvement of.
Electrobras, has actually transformed. As well as the federal government claimed.
All the brand-new investments
you make. It will certainly be the companion.
for the private, because they require.
your understanding, they need your experience. But you won'' t control. it, because we have to increase the economic sector.
participation in the market.And that ' s why we had, in the. brand-new left component of the slide, we had these boxes that are. the firms who comes from be holding Electrobras. You can see four. big companies that
were former– the. regional business.
They own one each for every. region of the business.
We can see one that is.
We are the monopoly resource. of nuclear generation in the country. We have Itaipu that ' s. extremely interesting. Due to the fact that Itaipu,.
it ' s a bi-national in between Brazil as well as Paraguay. He has 14,000 megawatts. And until Three. Gorges has actually been developed, Itaipu was the biggest. hydropower plant on the planet. And it was considering that the. ' 80s up until the 2000s, when the 3 Gorges has been. constructed, we were the
greatest. And we have fifty percent of it. And also we have this blue box. with you 136 unique objective
entities that are. the partnerships that we have actually made with the. private field since 2004.
And all the developments given that. It makes by this way.In a current reform that.
That ' s why we have. for one in sales, and also we have 25 in termination. We include 14, and also we. expect to low the 136 to 62 involvement this year. And also as I said in the.
beginning, although we have the control, but the.
Brazilian federal government budget plan in state. We have private financiers. We are graded as.
an open company, and also we have shares.
out there. As well as we have shares trading in.
the Brazilian supply market, and New york city Securities market, and.
additionally in Madrid'' s stock exchange. So we can claim concerning the.
global funding markets, we are a global business. And also we have financiers.
from the United States. We have crucial.
risk from investors in the United States. Well, after those.
openness of the markets, you can see in this.
slide what remains in the control of Electrobras. And also we have 30.1%.
of all installed ability in the nation. As well as we can include extra,.
5.3% on the nuclear and also Itaipu, the bi-national. And we have, in partnership.
with the privates, some extremely crucial.
financial investments, like Belo Monte.That is the biggest Brazilian. hydroelectric power plant, and we have 49% of. it, as well as 51% of it belongs to personal financiers. As well as you can see. in the ideal side of
the slide, our. metrics of the generation capacity of Electrobras. , if I stated that the.. Brazilian has 87 %, Electrobras has 96% of. clean power in this.
It ' s made us our
. generation firm really concentrated on renewables.And that will be our focus. from below for the future.
We will certainly maintain in. the core service
of generations as well as transmission,. sustainable generation and transmission system. Well, relating to the. transmission system, we kept the control of 45.2 %. of the transmission lines
. As I said to you, when the. the majority of component of those transmission lines has actually been built. We were the monopoly, so we maintained the ownership. of those assets.And this is crucial.
We are in
the. recovering monetary dilemma in the nation, and. As least we still have some development.
in the pipeline. We have 10 wind ranches.
that we are finishing. We expect to finish.
these in the following year.
And we are likewise one. thermal system to day.
We are finishing a development. for a mixed cycle. As well as I believe that the. essential financial investment that we have in the pipe. is the third nuclear power plant that ' s under three. It ' s a huge investment, and it ' s. thought about as a calculated one
by the government. And that one, we. put on ' t have partners. We made direct. investments ourselves. Well, we have various other building. jobs in collaboration with the economic sector.
that I think is important.Now, we raised half.
of our presentation, and we can concentrate on. the major concern of it.
That ' s the Amazon obstacle. And also I ' d like simply to.
remember the last line when we showed the National.
Interconnected System which opening.
that we have that comes from the Amazonian states. And also this is necessary, due to the fact that.
as you stated, as you can see, we quit to expand the.
transmission system. Which'' s wasn ' t not because. we didn ' t determine to do that.
Yet we faced it. We assumed it a. large challenge, that ' s exactly how to broaden. the grid in the Amazon.com. And if we you– I showed this picture as 2016. As well as I said that nowadays we.
have something really close of it. As well as if you seek the.
next ten years expansion, you'' ll see that the image.
won'' t change significantly. We just will certainly make.
some links for the only state that'' s. isolated in the north.It ' s the only large.
link that you do. You broaden a little.
bit more from the west in the last states, but the.
opening is still continued. In this opening exists.
a great deal of individuals, as well as there exists the Amazon,.
a very fragile investment. We are discussing.
3.3 million people. We'' re discussing 272 systems. And we chat concerning virtually 1.
gigawatt of mounted ability. As well as the only method to offer.
those people in those areas is utilizing nonrenewable fuel sources. And this is a very, really– makes a very excellent comparison.
with the remainder of the country.And we can see
just how did.
the systems are offered. As well as you can see that.
the diesel, although we have some all-natural.
gas, but it'' s very focused in some small– large cities in Manaus, where you.
can have some access to gas. A lot of those systems.
are provided by diesel, as well as it offered us– 94% of the power comes.
from diesel generation, and we have a really high.
emission intensity on this. If you try to find– and also even more than that. Just how can you provide that.
diesel on those areas where you wear'' t have roadways? You just have the rivers. And we have a very massive.
logistic for doing that. And when you talk about.
roads in the Amazon, it'' s a nightmare,.
because it'' s a really, extremely hostile setting
for. these kinds of building and constructions. You can think,.
well, I have the rivers.But the rivers. are troubles additionally, due to the fact that we have some. dry spell periods.
And the climate. events recently, it make the circulation of the.
water in the Amazon.com area to have a very terrific volatility. So occasionally we have no.
access to those areas. We have to carry the.
diesel in little boats. And it'' s increased the.
threat, and they take care of to have an.
setting danger, to have a trouble in those.
products, like affiliation of oil, and you are handling this.
You can envision that. It costs a lot. And also in those areas,.
It ' s aid. So'we have in this.
factor, in this area, are huge subsidy for.
the Brazilian customers. And the subsidy allocate.
this year is $1.5 billion. And also who pays that? The various other consumers. In fact, the aid.
is based, is billed, for the other consumers that are.
in the interconnected system. So indirectly, the.
separated system stands for a high.
burden for the customers in the interconnections. And this is, I assume,.
the more crucial slide of the discussion,.
since you can see 2 different countries.
or 2 different realities, inside the country.You can see in
the environment-friendly,.
in the green circle, the interconnected system,.
who consumers has accessibility to 87% of clean power. A very, spick-and-span matrix, a.
very, spick-and-span generation system. We have just 0.1.
We have a price of.
$ 0.10 for kilowatts. We have 2.3 megawatts, our.
person year, the consumer. As well as we have a.
density of population of 52 occupants of.
[INAUDIBLE] of square kilometer. And also if you seek.
this [FAINT],, that is not so little.
but has much less individuals, we can see 94% of fuel.
fossil in the base of the electric metric. You can see almost six.
times even more exhausts than in the other. You can see four times.
much more pricey energy. And also you see– things that I.
think is of more importance– an extremely low consummation.
per capita a year. That implies that those people.
is not economically developed and also the social growth. There is a massive potential.
to be developed. As well as the one point that'' s. battling this growth is the electrical energy supply. And also in those regions, we.
have one difficulty extra. That we have a sparsity of.
As well as this is the large. If you see, well, how. Exactly how
much people individuals in the.
electrification in the country. In 2000, we have almost.
71% of the populace has access to electricity. In 2010, one decade,.
we practically have 92%. And also in 2015– that is extremely.
close that we have currently, we have possibly a.
bit a lot more– we have 98% of individuals.
with gain access to with electrical power. , if you look for the.
.
red part of those maps, you can see that the important things.
have reviewed practically at similarly the.
interconnected system did. The reasoning that we.
have used to make this, it was just expanding the grid. As well as it was a very.
effective trouble. It was recognized– it is understood.
by the “” Light For All,”” and also it'' s a really.
acknowledged electrification problem in the world.It has been recognized by United. Countries, a really effective one. Yet they points is, it makes.
an extremely wonderful success where I could increase my electrical grid. Just how can I do currently when I went.
for an area where I can not do that? And also this is the.
obstacle that we have. And this figure.
shows the circumstance.
It ' s still separated itself. It ' s made us our
. It ' s a huge investment, and it ' s. taken into consideration as a calculated one
by the governmentFederal government And also that'' s wasn ' t not because. We'' re speaking concerning 272 systems.We had the
circle, the Light For All, the
electrification problem that make a solid
success worldwide, as well as make Brazil an extremely,
really essential country with high altitude. It was based in
grid assimilation. And also although we
And the problem I can not.
broaden more the diesel supply or the diesel.
thermal generation, since it'' s a problem.It ' s a trouble for the area. It'' s an issue for. the various other customers, as well as the interconnected.
system needs to pay for it. The government.
As well as the suggestion of the.
A Lot More Light To Amazon is to follow the difficulty.
of the Light For All as well as interconnect the.
remainder of the population.We are speaking about
. 2 %of the populace,
but we have to replace,. regarding feasible, the diesel for eco-friendly. on those areas where the Light For All didn ' t. get the interconnection and also'use the thermal service. And if you look for us, and. if you ask me, how you do? Just how you handle the challenge for.
the a lot more light for the amazon.com? My individual and my.
group idea is you have to seek the future,.
not for the past for doing that. As well as we got the.
motivation in this slide that we obtained from a.
future, a long-term view, from the World Economic Discussion Forum. As well as you can see the big patterns–.
that you know greater than I, since you are dealing with.
that in the college– the electrification,.
the decentralization, digitalization of.
the electric field. The suggestion is, exactly how can.
I look for the future, as well as apply it, and also bring.
this future for the fact in the Amazon systems? And we can get those ideas.
in an additional continent.Very surprisingly,
. that is Africa.
And also I discuss. Africa not concerning their electric system, since. they have huge challenges.
I used to possibility. company in Africa. I was in charge of.
international division commonly Electrobras.
for the last years, and I recognize Africa very well. And also I can say that Africa has.
a big obstacle in the power sector. But they have actually a.
lesson to offer to us, remains in the.
telecommunications market. Because what took place in.
Africa, that they understood it was difficult to.
carry out the taken care of telephony. And they decided to go.
through the mobile telephone. They did simply jumped.
now, and also they went specifically utilizing.
the a lot more sophisticated technology for telecommunication. And perhaps this is the.
strategy we need to utilize in the Amazon area. I wear'' t need to. interconnect them.
I need to fail to remember the. logic used for all. I need to embrace an extremely,
extremely. different method for the rest areas that
. we need to supply. As well as we need to replace the.
diesel thermal generation. We have to bring the future currently. And those are some efforts.
And also we are looking.
And also we are partnering with.
individuals that are dealing with photovoltaic floating. Photovoltaic,.
since we have a great deal of water surface area in the Amazon.com. As well as we are looking.
for the men that are collaborating with eco-friendly.
fuel, because we have likewise a lot of carbon.
and things that you can combine with the hydrogen.
created by the renewable.We are looking
— we.
are chatting with individuals in the synthetic.
knowledge, model of solar, and also.
storage option, and so forth. So after that we are reaching the.
end of the discussion. Our proposed remedy.
is benefiting those separated and also remote.
areas of the Amazon.com, offering a direct jump.
into the future in order to give their.
very own clean, reliable, and also locally produced power. The something that.
is crucial– I'' ll come back just one slide– when we seek.
electrification in this slide, I'' m not just chatting.
regarding power generation. I am attempting to amaze.
all the economic situation of those remote communities. Since the diesel.
there isn'' t made use of simply for produce electrical power. They use it also for mobility.If I need to finish
, or to.
vanish, with the lengthy supply chain of diesel, I have.
to substitute diesel in all the economy.
of the area. And also one other thing that.
is necessary to claim, part of those diesel that.
has been made use of as well as funded for this sometimes.
has been stolen, drifted, and also often.
supply order activities, they are not the.
much more republican ones. So I believe this is a problem.
that we need to face on that particular. And the suggestion is to work as well as.
offer this brand-new remedy, powering your houses.
in the economic climate, with mini and also micro grids.
depending on the site as well as area of the community. And afterwards we have a high.
variety of community. We have communities that.
comes from simply some kilowatts to 1 or to 10.
megawatts, depending upon the size of the area,.
the means that people are dispersed in the area. The difficulty is the.
traditional power generation, as they have been.
carrying out until now.It ' s a conventional means. We have a base tons. We have power generation. You have a base lots. You have to have the.
ability into that. And also we need to deal.
with the intermittency of the renewable resources. And also we understand, we are.
finding out, that the lots contour plays a very vital.
role in choosing the accessibility of the system. And also this drives us.
to a big obstacle. That is, how can we.
manage the need? How can we consist of the supply.
side a new clever administration? We are thinking concerning.
the traditional wise measuring by them, there is no.
knowledge popular side.And the concept is
to establish. a procedure in just how the demand side need to be. managed, considering all
the features of. the sustainable generation
, all the qualities of the. individuals, of the consumers, and they said, in a manner. that this service won'' t restriction the economic and also social.
advancement of the region. And we can provide a really.
trustworthy resource for them. As well as the excellent note is.
that it'' s really costly.
The way we are doing. is extremely pricey.
So a lot of those brand-new. If compared, technique in modern technology could be feasible.
with the cost in the aid that we have to supply this. I assume this is completion.
of our presentation. I really wish that I could.
address the challenge. And I really hope that I could.
provoke on you the curiosity and also the motivation possibly.
to move forward in this problem, as well as in the future, maybe work.
with us in this challenge.I assume this is. crucial for Brazil, but it is very important. for the Amazon itself.
As well as it ' s crucial to keep in mind.
that the Amazon is not Brazil. We have the same situation.
in various other border countries, like Colombia, like.
Venezuela, like Peru. So the remedy that.
we are developing right here can be scalable for the other.
countries in exotic woodlands like that. That'' s it. For all, thank you very. much for your rate of interest, for your focus. TARGET MARKET: Great.
Thank you, Pedro,. I think the audience– talking for the.
the kind we need currently to make the world a much more.
sustainable place to live. I do have a huge listing.
of inquiries, which I'' ll consolidate just a little bit. The first collection, this is probably.
obvious that people in the US would ask inquiries like this. Are the sighting of.
transmission lines as well as nuclear power plants in.
Brazil politically charged issues? This probably has to do.
primarily with public acceptance therefore on.I recognize you'' ve been. around the globe.
So how would certainly you describe. the circumstance in Brazil pertaining to siting such. centers vis-a-vis the remainder of the globe? PEDRO LUIZ DE.
OLIVEIRA JATOBA: Oh, I would claim that the design.
that we have taken on for structure as well as growing.
the electric power field is very appropriate.
for the population. They recognize that we.
have an extremely trusted as well as a really certain.
power industry. As I said to you,.
the low-cost power was the basis for the economic.
As well as I showed to you.
as well as we need to reach, since it'' s an extremely massive tons.
As well as we had to develop. that transmission line, as well as we take on a style that. it can load the [FAINT] in the forest.
To give you a concept,. the transmission towers is almost on the very same.
size of the Eiffel Tower, since they are checked out.
over the top of the forest. And also there is a great deal of discussion.
ready to build, for example, large exterior power.
plant in the Amazon.I assume that ' s something,. that we did some.
Nowadays, we are. thinking about very, extremely high– exactly how to do that, as well as just how to restrict. the influence in the environment. And we used– when we.
went for these very, very vulnerable atmospheres, we use.
the really high modern technology. Because Brazil has one of the.
most strict ecological legislation. We discover a great deal. We learn a whole lot during.
the last two or 3 decades in exactly how to build this. So I assume we put on'' t have
— this. is not our details issue. I believe our certain.
trouble now is the high price of the separated system. As well as just how can we broaden.
this and do not impose a limit for those.
areas to develop? As soon as we, due to the fact that.
make this, we give room for various other kinds.
of economic tasks that are not preferable.
for the area. TARGET MARKET: Undoubtedly,.
on your own as well as your business are extremely advanced in.
thinking of grid typologies as well as automation. As well as I think at the.
finish you partially answer two pretty deep.
questions regarding grid stability, and stability operation,.
and also utilizing a smarter grid. So both concerns.
are, has Brazil applied controls.
or mini grids to avoid cascading power outages.
in your primary grid system? Associated with that, has that.
been a problem in the past? And two– this.
in fact works partly in the various other instructions.
from completion of your talk.Is there
any worry around.
having just a few factors of contact between the north.
and also southerly grids in Brazil? PEDRO LUIZ DE.
OLIVEIRA JATOBA: Well, to build the huge.
interconnected system in Brazil, it was an understanding contour. And since we adjoined.
two regional systems, we are finding out a lot exactly how to.
manage security and points like that. In fact, we have a lot.
of automatic control to take care of the.
security issues. As well as I believe that.
the speak about what we did in the procedure.
of this big system is something that it''
s an. issue for one more discussion.'That ' s huge. Really, we don'' t. have micro grid now in the approach.
for stability, but we have a lot.
of local control. And it'' s something that. is essential to claim.
That when you have a base. tons in the hydropower plant, we have a massive, huge. inertia in the big hydro.
As well as this is very. essential to keep the security of the system.
We have a recent. sensation in Brazil. And also the north is– I showed to you that we. have 12% of solar as well as wind.Most of it is focused. in the northeast component of the country. And also in some cases, this little. region that is adjoined has even more solar– more wind as well as solar than hydro. As well as it offers us.
some stability trouble that I have never ever dealt with prior to. And that is extremely fascinating. When you talk regarding.
In those regions I.
have 50% of wind. As well as this is an issue–.
something that we are discovering. In the level of mini grid,.
And also things like that, not. As well as I assume that.
we are vice versa. Because, as I said,.
we have a significant system with a great deal of sources that we.
can use to keep things stable.AUDIENCE: Terrific. Yeah, we have experienced such,. way too much, particularly solar
, situations in California, as. you most likely are aware of. Currently we have a couple of. innovation questions.
What function do you believe advanced. And a second concern.
Do you see any.
duty for biodiesel to be a partial transition fuel.
there in certain areas or otherwise? PEDRO LUIZ DE.
OLIVEIRA JATOBA: Yes. I believe both questions.
are very, extremely fascinating. I think the storage space.
I assume that some. We have some expand of solar. They are starting to.
integrate this. We put on'' t have big storage space. in this system in Brazil yet in regards to. utility scale, but we have a great deal of factors. In the Amazon,.
they are important. In the Amazon.com, they.
need to be used.And the service. that you are examining is something that incorporates. photovoltaic and also storage.
As well as I believe that. what we need now is a very, very.
great need control to make the management of the.
demand, generation as well as equilibrium balance, of this micro grid. For us, storage space, it will.
be important for the Amazon.com. And pertaining to biodiesel,.
Brazil, it'' s understood, however it ' s. a massive biodiesel task. Brazil can do that. As well as they problem in biodiesel.
is that sometimes it completes in the agricultural.
side with the food production.And Brazil is a really. exporter of food currently.
I assume this, in some cases, we.
have some kind of competition, since the market for biodiesel.
occasionally is not so good. Like the food market as well as.
the agricultural guys make a decision to make the choice.
between one as well as 2. That is one more point.
that we are looking, and I think it makes sense, and.
maybe used in the Amazon is the eco-friendly fuel. It'' s something that we can.
usage, the carbon capture incorporated with.
hydrogen, that you can minimize with renewable sources. In the Amazon.com, we.
have a possibility to have a sustainable. We can utilize solar. There is an opportunity. There is very little.
wind in the Amazon.com, but there'' s a lot of solar.
We have a great deal of water. And also you have carbon capture.
produce a big of wastes, and we can utilize that.
carbon of the waste. That'' s an additional.
environmental service. And you can create.
the green fuel. And also the lawful.
structure that have actually been developed for biodiesel, it.
helped the eco-friendly gas also.So if I ended up being
a green.
gas producer in Brazil, I can sell as well as I could.
introduce my item on the market.
nearly immediately. I put on'' t require an unique.
law, an unique structure, since the structure of fuel.
in Brazil is very adaptable. As well as it has actually been there because.
of the biodiesel manufacturing. I assume this tradition, it.
will certainly be very important in the energy change of the nation. TARGET MARKET: Without.
obtaining also political, I'' ll try to ask this.
one in a neutral means. Has Brazil'' s support.
for eco-friendly power changed under the.
Bolsonaro Administration? Obviously, people like.
us all over the world are asking these inquiries.
about our leaders. This is the technological.
clinical part of running our economic climates versus.
the political leadership. Are you able or do you.
care to say anything regarding that question? I think it'' s an interesting one. PEDRO LUIZ DE.
OLIVEIRA JATOBA: Well, as I received my.
presentation, the commitment with Brazil with eco-friendly.
has greater than six years.And I assume
that.
it remains in the blood. As well as I can'' t see anything.
different from Brazil. I have 40 years of.
functioning in Electrobras. I saw a big part of this film. And also I can claim that.
based on who is in the power.
in the government, Brazil has a strong and.
lasting dedication with renewable. This is our history. TARGET MARKET: As I stated.
at our pre-talk conversation, simply a year ago I was down in Rio,.
and also I had the very same impression. Yet I wanted to go across.
check to make sure that you concur with that.So with that stated, I ' d like to.
thanks for a motivating talk one last time. Your talk really.
appears like it'' s an exceptional instance, talking.
of the Worldwide Economic Forum, of what the previous executive.
supervisor created in his book, The 4th Industrial.
Transformation, which was extremely theoretical. It'' s good to see.
a person like yourself bringing several of these.
suggestions swiftly to fruition. Thanks, as soon as again, for a.
fantastic great inspiring talk. PEDRO LUIZ DE OLIVEIRA.
JATOBA: Thanks quite. It'' s my satisfaction. As well as thank you, once.
much more, for the possibility to share those suggestions.
with the academy. As well as I think that the chance.
that I have to visit you there, many thanks for the invite.
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a lot that we are doing right here, that might help us to build.
AUDIENCE: Absolutely. Come see us as.
soon as you are able. PEDRO LUIZ DE OLIVEIRA.
JATOBA: I'' ll do that most likely. TARGET MARKET: Great.PEDRO LUIZ DE
OLIVEIRA.
JATOBA: Thanks significantly. AUDIENCE: Thank you. Many thanks, once more.
It'' s a problem for. That ' s very huge. As well as it'' s something that. Brazil, it'' s understood, but it ' s. a big biodiesel task. I think it'' s an intriguing one.